Studenti, Evropa i kako se to vidi sa recimo 15,400km / Students, Europe and how it is seen at a distance of 15,400 km
“Studenti”, Evropa i kako se to vidi sa recimo 15,400km
Vec skoro 9 meseci traju protesti studenata. Pocelo je sa nadstresnicom u Novom Sadu i “mirnim protestima” tj “davanja pomena” na najprometnijim raskrsnicama (prvo Beograda a onda i sire). Pitao sam se (a i na mrezama postavljao pitanja) zasto studenti odaju pocast izginulima na raskrsnicama a ne, recimo, u anfiteatru sto bi bilo normalno za studente a i ne bi ni remetilo red i mir. Nisam dobio odgovor.
Danas, devet meseci kasnije, niko vise i ne spominje nadstresnicu ali “mirni protesti” i dalje traju; problematican je nastavak rada na fakultetima, ometa se saobracaj, izbijaju sukobi, napada se milicija prilikom zavodjenja reda...
Koji su rezultati postignuti u ovih 9 meseci? Ono sto ja vidim (sa distance od 15,400km) je sledece:
- Mnogi studenti su izgubili godinu (sto povlaci izgubljen novac za studiranje, eventualnu promenu fakulteta ili prestanak studija, izgubljeni studenskih krediti, mesto u studnskom domu i sl)
- Napravljen je jos veci jaz izmedju onih koji “podrzavaju” i oni koji “ne podrzavaju”
- Dovodi do sukoba i onih koji su bili na istoj stani ali se ne slazu oko nacina na koji se protesti odbijaju.
Narod se podelio na
- “studente” i one koji PODRZAVAJU (nije vazno sta), na jednoj strani i na
- “cace” i “botove” na drugoj. To spadaju svi ostali:
- Oni koji NE PODRZAVAJU
- Oni koji podrzavaju ideju ali ne i nacin ostvarivanja iste
- Oni koji ne znaju tacno o cemu se radi i postavljaju pitanja i razmisljaju o tome “sta posle” (jer, sta ima da se pita i da se razmislja? Ima tu ko da razmislja. Ni “studenti” ne razmisljaju vec samo rade ono sto im se kaze.)
Ovde moram da napravim malu digresiju. Kada sam u pocetku postavljao pitanje sta se to podrzava i zbog cega su protesti, uglavnom sam dobijao odgovore kao: “borba protiv korupcije”, “za bolji zivot”, “da institucije sistema rade svoj posao” i sl. To se moze primeniti na skoro sve zemlje sveta. E, sada kada bi trebalo na to pitanje odgovoriti kokretno i sta se ocekuje posle (eventualno uspesnih protesta), verujem da bi od 100 ispitanih dobili 100 razlicitih odgovora.
Vidim da su “nasa deca” podelila i nas matore. Ljudi su poceli da se svadjaju jer ne misle isto. Sve se promenilo. Nekada smo bili protiv “jednoumlja” a, danas, izgleda da ko ne misli isto (kao oni koji “PODRZAVAJU” ili kao oni koji “NE PODRZAVAJU”) odmah postaje neprijatelj. (Mi, Srbi, i kada mislimo isto, naci cemo razlog da se ne slozimo). Nema dijaloga, nema SUKOBA MISLJENJA vec samo - SUKOBA.
Istomisljenici se medjusobno podrzavaju i sugerisu “objektivne” medije jer oni “drugi mediji” su “u rukama rezima”, “u rukama stranih placenika i finansirani iz inostranstva” i sl. Posle preko 40 godina zivota van Srbije, na 3 kontinenta i 5 zemalja, jedna od stvari koje sam naucio je: MEDIJIMA NE TREBA SLEPO VEROVATI. Vise puta sam bio u situacijama kada sam svojim ocima video jedno a u medijima je objavljena sasvim drugacija slika. Pitanje je: kome se moze verovati? Po meni: NIKOM. I ovi “obavesteni” kao i oni “neobavesteni” ne znaju sta se stvarno dogadja. A, o tome sta se planira “posle”, ne verujem da zna bilo ko izuzev onih koji iza kulisa vuku konce.
U principu, podrzavam ideju: “borba protiv korupcije”, “za bolji zivot” itd ali, nacin ostvarivanja te ideje a, pogotovu nejasni ciljevi (i, eventualni program sta posle) je vec drugo pitanje.
Evropa
U vise navrata sam pitao, na vise platformi, izmedju ostalog i:
- sta je konkretan cilj protesta?
- kakav je plan?
- sta/ko posle? (pod pretpostavkom da, recimo, ova vlast kaze:” dobro, evo vam vlast, sta cete sada”?)
Nisam dobio odgovre izuzev da sam uglavnom etiketiran kao “bot” (jer kao sto napomenuh ranije, sta ja tu imam nesto da pitam? Samo “cuti i “podrzavaj”).
Iz vise izjava protestanata i politicara koji su im naklonjeni a i iz njihovog delovanja (odlaska u Strazbur), mogao sam da zakljucim da su oni, izmedju ostalog, za:
- priznavanje Kosova
- priznavanje Srba kao genocidnog naroda (Srebrenica)
- ulazak u EU
Iluzorno je komentarisati prve dve tacke, (cak i ne verujem u to sto citam) ali bih dao svoje misljenje i prokomentarisao pitanje Evrope.
Kada je pocela prica o Evropi, mislim ranih osamdesetih, smatrao sam da je logican i jedini put Srbije – Evropa i, da je samo pitanje vremena kada ce se to i ostvariti. Medjutim, kako je vreme odmicalo a, pogotovu zadjnih nekoliko godina, promenio sam misljenje:
Protiv sam ulaska u OVAKVU Evropu (a, i nije da nas oni bas i zele). Ulazak u OVAKVU EVROPU NE PODRZAVAM!!!
Evropu, gde vecina vodecih zemalja podrzava samostalnost Kosova
Evropu, koja trazi od Srbije izvinjenje Hrvatskoj i placanje reparacija (a, sve posle “Oluje”)?!?!?!
Evropu u kojoj glavnu rec vode Von Ursula, potomak fasiste, Merc i izvitopereni Makron.
Evropu, koja je postala americki sluga i vodi Americki rat u korist svoje stete
Evropu, koja “doliva ulje na vatru” u Ukrajini i spremna je da se bori protiv Rusije do poslednjeg Ukrajinca i prakticno vodi u III svetski rat
Evropu, koja konstantno radi u korist svoje stete protv Rusije; kupuje skupe energente od USA, kupuje oruzje od USA da bi ga slala u Ukrajinu, snosi ogromne troskove (i sama slabi) samo da bi naskodila Rusiji.
Evropu koja podrzava “medjunarodno pravo” i Izrael, unistavanje i genocid u pojasu Gaze (i aneksiju iste)
Evropu koja podrzava “preventivne” napade Amerike i Izraela na Iran (a, koga je to Iran do sada napadao?)
Neka hvala, TAKVA Evropa mi se smucila. Ne dao Bog da budemo deo TAKVE Evrope.
I, jos jednom, ako je TO deo programa “studenata”, to NE PODRZAVAM!
Kako se to radi u svetu?
A protesti...ima ih svugde. Ima ih i u Australiji. Ovde se zakazu za odredjeni dan i odredjeno vreme. Traju 2, 4 sata ili citav dan. Proteste uglavnom vode strukovni sindikati. Dovoljno da se stavi vlasti na znanje da nesto mora da se menja. A vlast, menja se na izborima. Ne znam ni jednu zemlju koja je tolerisala proteste 9 meseci.
Naravno, negde se protesti i produzavaju ali treba videti kako to regulisu “istaknute, osvedocene zapadne demokratije” kao USA, Francuska, Nemacka...
Mislim da je pogresno da se problemi resavaju i vlast menja na ulici. To smo vec imali. Ne bi bilo dobro da udje u naviku.
Ocekujem komentare u smislu: “Ne vidis dobro jer je daljina velika”.
Tacno. Slazem se. Zato sam i postavljao pitanja (i dalje ih postavljam).
"Students", Europe and how it is seen at a distance of 15,400 km
For almost 9 months now, "student’' protests have been going on. It started with a canopy in Novi Sad (collapsed and killed 14 people) and "peaceful protests" or "commemorations" at the busiest intersections (began first in Belgrade and then beyond). I wondered (and asked questions on social media) why students are paying tribute to the fallen at intersections instead of, say, in the amphitheater, which would be more appropriate for students and would not disrupt order and peace. I did not get an answer.
Today, nine months later, no one even mentions the canopy anymore, but the "peaceful protests" continue; traffic is disrupted, conflicts break out, and the police are attacked while trying to restore order...
What results have been achieved in these 9 months? What I see (at a distance of 15,400 km) is the following:
- Many students have lost a year (which means lost money, a potential change of faculties or dropping out, lost student credits, a place in student housing, etc.)
- An even greater division has been created between those who "support" and those who "do not support".
- It leads to conflicts even among those who were on the same side but do not agree with the way in which the protests are conducted.
The people are divided into
- "students" and those who SUPPORT (it doesn't matter what) on one side and
- "caci" and "bots" on the other side. Those are all the others:
- Those who DO NOT SUPPORT
- Those who support the idea but not the way of achieving it
- Those who don't know exactly what it's about and ask questions and think about "what's next" (because, what is there to ask and think about? There are those who will think about it. The "students" don't think either, they just do what they're told.)
Here I must make a small digression. When I initially asked the question of what is being supported and why the protests are happening, I mostly received answers like: 'fight against corruption', 'for a better life', 'for the institutions of the system to do their job', and so on. It is a good cause but, this can be applied to almost all countries in the world. Now, when it comes to answering that question specifically and what is expected afterward, I believe that from 100 respondents you would get 100 different answers.
I see that 'our children' have also divided us old folks. People have started to argue because they do not think the same. Everything has changed. Once we were against “unanimity” but today it seems that anyone who does not think the same (as those who 'SUPPORT' or as those who 'DO NOT SUPPORT') immediately becomes an enemy. (We, Serbs, even when we think alike, will find a reason to disagree). There is no dialogue, there is no CONFLICT OF OPINIONS but only - CONFLICT.
Like-minded people support each other and suggest "objective" media because those "other media" are "in the hands of the regime," "in the hands of foreign mercenaries and funded from abroad," and so on. After over 40 years of living outside Serbia, on 3 continents and in 5 countries, one of the things I have learned is: MEDIA SHOULD NOT BE BLINDLY TRUSTED. I have been in situations many times when I saw one thing with my own eyes, but the media published a completely different picture. The question is: who can be trusted? In my opinion: NO ONE. Both these "informed" and those "uninformed" do not know what is really happening. And regarding what is planned "afterward," I don't believe anyone knows except those who pull the strings behind the scenes.
In principle, I support the idea of 'fighting against corruption', 'for a better life', etc., but the way of achieving that idea and especially the unclear goals (and the eventual program for what comes next) is another issue.
Europe
On several occasions, I have asked, on multiple platforms, among other things:
- what is the specific goal of the protest?
- what is the plan?
- what/ who comes next? (assuming that, for example, this government says: 'Okay, here you go, what will you do now?')
I have not received answers except that I have mostly been labelled as a 'bot'.
From various statements by the protesters and politicians sympathetic to them, as well as from their actions (going to Strasbourg), I could conclude that they, among other things, are in favour of:
- recognizing Kosovo
- recognizing Serbs as a genocidal nation (Srebrenica)
- joining the EU
It is illusory to comment on the first two points (I don't even believe what I am reading), but I would like to give my opinion and comment on the question of Europe.
When the story about Europe began, I think in the early eighties, I considered that the logical and only path for Serbia was Europe, and that it was just a matter of time before it would happen. However, as time went on, especially in the last few years, I changed my mind:
I am against joining THIS Europe (and it's not that they really want us). I DO NOT SUPPORT joining THIS EUROPE!!!
A Europe where most leading countries support the independence of Kosovo
A Europe that asks Serbia for an apology to Croatia and for paying reparations to Croatia (all after "Operation Storm")?!?!
Europe where the main role is played by Von Ursula, a descendant of a fascist, Merc, and the Macron.
Europe that has become an American servant and is fighting an American war to its own detriment.
Europe that "adds fuel to the fire" in Ukraine and is ready to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian, practically leading to World War III.
Europe that constantly works against its own interests towards Russia, buying expensive energy from the USA, purchasing weapons from the USA to send to Ukraine, incurring huge costs (and weakening itself) just to harm Russia.
Europe that supports "international law" and Israel, destruction and genocide in the Gaza Strip (and its annexation).
Europe that supports America's and Israel's "preventive" attacks on Iran (but who has Iran attacked so far?)
No, thank you, I am fed up with THAT Europe. God, forbid we become a part of SUCH Europe.
And once again, if THIS is part of the 'students' program, I DO NOT SUPPORT IT!
How is it done in the world?
Protests... they are everywhere. There are also some in Australia. Here, they are scheduled for a specific day and time. They last for 2, 4 hours or an entire day. The protests are mostly led by professional unions. It's enough to let the authorities know that something needs to change. And the authorities change through elections. I don’t know any country that has tolerated protests for 9 months.
Of course, protests are extended somewhere, but we need to see how the 'prominent, established Western democracies' like the USA, France, Germany regulate this...
I think it is wrong to solve problems and change the government on the street. We have already been through that. It wouldn’t be good to get used to it.
I expect comments like: 'You don't see well because the distance is great.'
True. I agree. That's why I was asking questions (and I still am).